Mm.

But he invited me, [laughs] because I'd written with him, he invited me to be the songwriter for the Nashville camp.

Which means that there are, there were, I think there were 130 or around, around about that, people that had come in as guitar players.

And they cycled through and we, we did workshops for, for all those people.

Some of them were first-time songwriters.

Some of them had written songs before, but the whole point was bringing people together and, and showing them different tools, showing them how they can turn their thoughts and, and ideas into music, to utilize the skills they already had, then to utilize some of the words that they have and the stories that they want to tell in, in a songwriting form.

Which was fun and challenging in some cases because there were a lot of instrumentalists that didn't wanna put words to anything, or just wanted to explore melodies, which was fine as well.

We might grab you another microphone.