but let AI do all the kind of

transactional work.

So therefore, I think next 10 years will be fascinating.

I think for the events industry in general, I think it's anything live, anything with humans first will become more premium.

But then at the same time, we need to look at, OK, how we can make this experience with humans much more, let's say, available.

How we can improve the way how we meet in the sense of like there is a sort of conference fatigue at the same time.

Like another aspect, if you notice often at the conference, more and more, I can see the pictures of different events, seeing that like half of the room is empty and the rest of the half of the room is sitting with their phones.

Yes.