Well, that and Penny's paranormal prowess.

I'm very agnostic when it comes to things like s- spaceships and God.

I look more for evidence.

If ghosts are phantoms with unfinished business, Robyn Murphy had just dropped her card off.

I'm bugging out.

This is really kinda scary, and I didn't look at it anymore that night.

But before he left town, he turned over every file he had on Putnam County to me.

For years, I had to be, I was the chief investigator telling these guys what we need to do and why we need to do it.

And now I, to take, I don't want to say I take a back seat because I am going to be very proactive here.

I don't feel like the weight of the world is on me in the sense like the heart of what I was doing for so many years is Paul's heart now.

Of course, Anthony being Anthony, he did eventually show it to us.

I want to show you something.

So this is the Robin Murphy file from the police department.

This is all they have for thirty years.

Thankfully, no one was so tired they hit a tree.

All right, it's time to deliberate.

So because now I'm in custody, I have to go through the door with the guards.

And so I had to sit in this room.

This room, again, had that steel toilet, stainless steel toilet, stainless steel mirror, stainless steel sink.

The water tasted like something that was like really disgusting.

The walls were painted a light, light, light, light blue white.

Anthony, tell us how you're feeling right now.

Gombert was hauled in from Cheshire Correctional, where he was serving decades for sexually assaulting Sarah.

They bring Howard Gombert in from Connecticut.

He looked very white, like he ain't seen the yard, like a vampire.

His hair is like parted, very close, so real tight to his head.

He has this ponytail maybe three feet long with these rubber bands going all the way down.

And I don't know, it looks like a headache.

It looks like he's walking around with just the worst headache.

They were put in separate vehicles, of course, but both pulled into the jailhouse garage at the same time.

They all got into Big Larry's Bronco, the three teens and the guy seeking drugs.

And I'm like, "Where are we gonna take him?" So we're driving around, and we pull up in, in this little area, and I'm like, I, I, I'm, I'm not trying to be violent to him.

I just, I got his money in my pocket.

I just...

They're like, "Let's fuck him up." I'm like, "No, just leave him."

You know, DePippo was there.

He starts telling me what is a credible account of being with Howard Gombert, and he started talking about what he said about the red car, Josette, uh, the two suckers.

So he literally went from Howard Gombert's Connecticut prison to Putnam County Jail, and he had a, a set of notes where he says Howard Gombert said that he had sex with Josette around the time she disappeared.

His first day at Downstate corroborated that counselor.

It's, uh, two hours in, and there's, I don't know, 100 of us and, you know, they're doing the spread your cheeks and then it shaved your hair, your eyebrows, all facial hair off.

The next thing they did is they made us all undress, all naked in one line, and they threw the shit they call lye, the louser.

They're taking a picture, and now here I look like fricking Mini-Me.

So it's like you're being processed, you as a human being in a factory of other human beings.

You're, you're moving the way they tell you.

They put you on a line, they give you your clothes.

It was actually prescribed by the prison doctors, a muscle relaxant called baclofen for his muscle spasms.

Anthony felt those words in the pit of his stomach.

I'm like, fuck, doesn't look good for me.

Now they know Andrew Krivak, guilty of the murder, and the media was against me.

Everybody was angry, and they knew how to use that.

The newspaper was putting my picture with the biggest beard that I had against the girl when she was seven.

So you got this tiny, tiny girl and this big, big man.

Everybody had an interest somehow in it, and everybody wanted and believed that was me.

He turned and looked directly at Susan Wright, Josette's mom.

In one of those sessions, he agreed to a polygraph test.

I sit down into this chair, and I remember notice I looked at the machine.

The machine said 1969.

And even in 95, I'm like, it looks like an earthquake machine, right? Rotodials.

And then he puts like, you know when they do the oxygen for you? He puts one on my pinky.

And then he puts a blood pressure cuff on me.

And he's got three cards and he pulls one card out.

She's all

In a town with little or no violent crime, Anthony had his run-ins with the cops.

My first real encounter with the cops was, uh, well, it was criminal mischief.

I threw a, a metal garbage can at the window of a Metro-North train, and then the cops all of a sudden came, and they started running after us.

And so I ran, and I, I, I got in the woods, and they were bringing the dog Rebel, the, the K9.

So I'm like, "Fuck." So I try to bury myself in these leaves, and I'm like, a fucking dog comes right up to us, finds me.

I'm like, "Uh, you got me." [laughs] So takes me into jail, and it felt like, you know, kind...

It felt kind of like a badge of honor.

He remembered one time in particular.