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Well, the, the, they could have done a lot, but the, the, the, the, the bit that it's really all about is empathy, and, and it's about aliens.

[laughs] But it's, uh, to some extent they get these aliens who've crashed in spacecraft, and then they're doing just dreadful things to these aliens who are like sentient beings basically.

And the aliens are saying, "Look, if you're gonna work together as a sort of human race, you've gotta work together.

And the best things that we've got as human beings is empathy." And we have got empathy, and we got empathy when we work with clients.

So empathy is- All through the criminal justice system, whether it be all the way from, like, uh, policing, you know, and to be aware of people's backgrounds, all the way through to when people are sentenced, all the way to, as we know, when we treat people.

Well, that's fine for human beings.

God, that, yeah, it's really funny.

What, what do you think the, the future direction should be?

Well, I think, well, yeah, I mean, it's...

I mean, to some extent, I think some of the stuff I've written about, um, I mean, I'm sort of semi-retired.

I still seem to be doing stuff, but maybe some things I'm not fully aware of and I've not caught up with.

But I mean, the stuff we've all been saying that we're not going back to, um, looking at treatment.

You know, typically you get people in a room for two hours [laughs] and berate them, and, uh...

But, I mean, I always say, when I give talks I say, "Look, okay, I'm not gonna talk for an hour.

Mm.