How did you actually get into the agency game?

So I was just like most young blokes when they sort of finished school.

I tried my hand at a few different things.

I was going to be a buddy Queensland football player and then I was going to be a butcher and then I was going to make me millions in my own business and all this sort of stuff and tried a few different things.

Like most young dairy enthusiasts, I suppose, Brian Leslie, no secret to anyone in the industry, but used to listen to him every year when I went down to Chitura in Victoria for Dairy Week when I was 14, 15.

And it was sort of something that I always wanted to do, and basically my mother came in one day and said, look, mate, I think I was about 21 or 22, and she sort of said, look, enough's enough.

You probably want to find something, pick and stick.

But in terms of cattlemen, who's been a good influence on you?