You've heard all of this, Anouk, and I think it just bolsters what you're trying to aim at.

Yes, exactly.

It's very scary what, uh, I've been hearing, and it's a reality we have to cope with, and it's really enforcing my aim to really encourage people to just pay attention and not to give the devices too early on.

I mean, something that's, um, done and, and, um, Tanja said it, uh, often used as a babysitter.

I, I, I think it's-- I just wanna say that giving your kid a screen from time to time is not the end of the world.

We're okay with that.

But it's like especially also giving the device, uh, in stressy situations.

And so if one then gives their teenagers that, that point at which they're pulling away from parents or caregivers, uh, self-efficacy, where is the balance there?