You're on the other side of it now and I wonder if you could share with our listeners what happened in your relationship.

Yeah, well...

I mean, this happened about 10 years ago.

My partner then, we had a three-year-old and a nine-month-old baby.

And so you can imagine you're in the thick of things at that stage.

And, you know, I think even in the healthiest of relationships, life with a three-year-old and a, you know, under one-year-old, it feels pretty hard.

But at that time, I found out I got the shocking news that he'd been having an affair and And not only been having an affair, but there was also another baby who was only a few months younger than our young daughter.

But for anyone who's kind of in that boat and feeling like, gosh, this is actually exactly what I need and perhaps my partner and I need together, What would you like to share with them about relationship counselling? I mean, in your experience, that might help them feel a little bit more comfortable taking that step forward.

Mm

... um, um, and, and wondering what you can trust and, and what you can't trust, and, and how much of your experience is true.

And it was, you know, it was a really, really difficult thing to discover.

Things in our relationship hadn't been amazing, um, leading up to that.

It had been a pretty rocky, uh...

Not, not, not up and down.

It had been a, a, a pretty sort of emotionless period and, and, and there wasn't a lot of, um, lot, wasn't a lot of feeling there.

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