I'd love to hear what you think about someone who may want to shrug off anything that is channeled.

Well, that's their decision.

They have to decide what they want to do.

Because my mother did channeling herself, I was brought up with it, so it was perfectly natural to me.

Therefore, any book which has interesting and valid material in it, I'm interested in.

And also, I've checked with Dr. van der Meer.

who wrote the authentic book on Mary Magdalene, and she also reads these books and takes them seriously.

So maybe you could speak a bit to this idea of how different the Jesus story becomes if we see his mother as an initiate in her own

Absolutely

not a chance.

And their whole culture was based on the warrior at the top.

and woman as the servant and slave at the bottom.

That was the beginning of patriarchy, and it spread gradually right from the west to the east as far as India, got established even in India.

That was right across Persia, right across what we called Anatolia, or then was called Anatolia.

the Near East, there wasn't any area that wasn't touched by them and that wasn't taken over by them because they had the stronger weaponry, as it were, to overcome peaceful people.

So many people think of these as primitive people's when in reality they were connected to a certain type of consciousness that we've completely lost.

I would love to know the impact of growing up with herd channelings and then how you think that impacted your path.

Yeah, well, that's a very good question and a very meaningful question because I was really influenced.

My mother was extraordinary woman.

She was a poet and she was an artist.

And those were her two, as it were, avenues into the world.

She was married to my father, who was from quite a different background.

and had very little understanding of the kind of person that she was.

Can we rewrite, recode so that we can change the impact, the direction of where we're going, which is essentially your work, but I would just love your thoughts around that.

What do you think was the hinge point? What caused

it? If you're looking at Europe, there was a phase in Greece and in Rome when you had goddess and gods together, so to speak.

And they were very real to people.

You have to only read the Odyssey and the Iliad to see how real they were, how present the gods and goddesses were in people's lives.

But then in the beginning of what's called the Bronze Age, they discovered that bronze was a better method of making swords than iron.

And that was when the change came, because it was easier to make a lot of bronze swords, I suppose, I don't know, and different weapons, spears, javelins, I don't know, because I'm not interested in weaponry, but something happened.

Me either.

And I'm curious to know, has getting older for you changed what you think God is? And do you pray? What does your spiritual practice look like now? And how do you visualize the divine now?