Annabelle, what were the first concerns... raised with such an approach?

Well, of course, you know, this was not a so smooth project.

We are still in the middle of it, to be honest.

So we are learning every day about this, what is happening.

But from my first lessons learned as the HR who also accompanied all the IT managers in this transformation is first of all, to transform their own habits and their own way of thinking when it comes to attracting IT talent tomorrow.

So for them, it's a huge shift from going to purchasing a skill and requesting that level of expertise and that level of skill because it's something you purchase.

From this model coming to now, you have to attract a talent who is aspiring to having this job.

Interesting.