And Anna, maybe I'll start with you.

Sure.

Thanks, Daniel.

I mean, I think when people, well, okay, let me put it to you this way.

Most people out there probably don't even know the term work integrated learning.

Instead, they've heard of terms like co-ops or internships, and in some cases, project-based learning.

And so at OCAD, that's one of our most, I think, exciting examples of will, as we would say in industry, are these project-based employee industry and student initiatives.

Right.