So that moment of that feeling, can you just paint that picture? Because that can be such a fantastic and scary moment.

It can be very scary because it's the unknown, especially if someone's been successful and they have a good life.

I have clients that they feel guilty even asking questions.

Because why? Look, my life is so good.

Why am I still a little unsatisfied? And it's sometimes even a, oh, I think it's, I'm too old.

You know, I've had people 45, 50 say, oh, I'm too old to change.

You're never too old.

How do you help them to unkink that hose so that they can see the beauty that was there all along?

perspective so powerful?

That's such a great question.

Again, because these downturns, if you will, if we call them that, sometimes it's a break in the path, the pattern that our life has been going.

When we shift how we look at them instead of, oh, this is a problem, if we can shift and go, okay, what's life trying to show us? What's the universe? What's God guiding me to next? Yeah.

I think one of the hardest things for me was when I had created, literally wanted and created a life that I dreamt of.

I was so happy.

And within a very short period of time, it collapsed.

yeah to

Oh, dear <laughing>

... as a Dublin fan, surrounded by, uh, Westmeath fans.

Fair play to them, they did deserve to win.

But again, it's back to, and I know it sounds like a cliche, but as a blow-in, like, who came here 40 years ago, it is the people.

Um, up in, if you're up in Croke Park, there's noth- You couldn't, you couldn't bottle, you couldn't put it on stage, the wit of the Dublin people up in Croke Park.

Even when they're losing, like yesterday, that wit is still there.

Um, but just, yeah, amazing, um, spirit of people.

How is all of that now?

Anna, what are your concerns?

Hi, Antonia.

And it's fair to say, like coming into the development of this new strategy, we actually in our networks, we had a lot of optimism about it and about how to use the word game changer, but that this new strategy could be that.

And because it was coming on the back of the Citizens Assembly on drugs and And again, like described by government, the most comprehensive discussion on the drugs issue in the history of the state and came out with very strong recommendations.

So we'd had all of that discussion, engaged everybody from all perspectives, all points of view, and really considered, thought out recommendations.

So that, you know, that made us feel, yeah, the new national drug strategy is really going to reflect that.

So when we read the draft CAA, it was a bit of a shock.

there any chance that when the government is drafting something like this, they have to sort of, they have to cut their cloth to a certain measure that if they say, look, the drug strategy, there comes a point where it would be unable to handle things like income inequality, domestic abuse, general poverty, all of those additional factors, they're for other agencies rather than a drug strategy.