What is she like, if you ever can? Or maybe there's categories of them.

I think there are categories, but I suppose some of the first really extreme cases of violence were in a secure unit that I was working in in the UK, and there was one woman who made sense in terms of our stereotypes about female violence in that she had been severely mentally ill and delusional, and she believed that her baby was being possessed by Satan.

And tragically, in order to save this baby, she had killed the baby.

And so now, not only was she well, in terms of the delusion had abated, but she was facing the tremendous guilt of what she had done, but also having her, her whole life and her freedom taken from her in a minority situation in a secure unit where there were maybe four women and 12 or 15 men, so quite marginalized, her own pain and grief not really addressed.

That was part of the work I tried to do with her.

So there's that kind of clearly mentally ill mother who killed out of delusion.

And then there was another woman who was much more like a kind of badass, if you don't mind my saying, but like a really feisty, quite confident type person who didn't have any mental illness but who had killed her husband's mistress.

but we're horrified and almost, like, we'll almost vilify women, all women, when a woman acts out.