What have you noticed change over the years?

Well, I think, again, there's been quite a different response.

Um, again, when I was writing Night Games, uh, there was definitely an element of many sports reporters feeling like they were in the team as opposed to reporting on the sport and reporting what needed to be reported, and there was a sense that journalists saw themselves more as fans and as mates of players rather than doing their job, and I don't think you see that so much anymore.

I think you immediately have quite different questions being asked, uh, by reporters, a, a different approach of impact.

But, but they...

Again, that's a bit different to, say, the footy commentators.

I think a lot of footy commentators have immediately gone to talk about what this means for the game and for the season and so forth.

But is it the, the commentary that's diminishing that progress, or is it the actions of certain footy players?

And what do we know about how popular he is in Australia? How are boys here engaging with him and his content?

In terms of how popular he is in Australia, there was a recent survey done by The Man Cave, who do a lot of work in schools around masculinity, and they sort of did a survey am- of Australian boys, I think it was seventeen hundred Australian boys, and they found that ninety-two percent of them were aware of Tate, and a quarter of them, you know, saw him as a role model.

There's been a couple researchers, uh, Stephanie Westcott, a lecturer at Monash University's School of Education, Culture and Society, and her colleague, Professor Steven Roberts.

They call it a type of misogynist radicalization that's happening online.

So last year, uh, Stephanie Westcott and Steven Roberts put a call out on social media to female teachers at private and public schools across Australia to partake in a study about possible misogynist radicalization of their students in school, and they were inundated with responses from female teachers.

Uh, Roberts was telling me how they still have teachers getting in contact, even though the study's, that particular phase of their research is, is finished.

They still have teachers getting in touch saying, "Please, I'm desperate to talk about it to someone." So you've got these female teachers are basically finding all these little mini Tates, uh, sitting in the back row, making their lives hell and, you know, other students' lives hell as well.

What's being done to address the impact this is having not just on kids in the classroom, but on teachers as well?