Yeah.

The joke, joke, not joke, is that like working in reality TV drove me into therapy.

And then that's kind of how I became a therapist.

But well, you know, maybe I won't tell the story I told before.

The joke that I just said is not really how I became a therapist.

Like it wasn't that.

Reality TV drove me, you know, to therapy.

And so it no matter, no, you know, how, how has that looked for you?

And there was growing up in Switzerland, because of the World War II experience that was still pretty fresh, they had sort of a prejudice against the Germans.

Yes, it becomes this like a conditioned response.

Like in mind-body therapy, we talk about a conditioned response.

Like if you've ever been stung by a bee, your whole body will flinch when you see a bee.

Tell me about Sarno and goodism and what is it? You had mentioned that I've had a healing journey from chronic pain.

When I was in my early 40s, I'd been experiencing migraine attacks repeatedly.

Throughout my career in television, which is not a coincidence, I experienced my very first migraine attack literally on my first day as an editor on a reality TV show.

And you say that's when it finally revealed your blind spot around wealth.

Savannah, I would love to know more about how you made that transition from what sounds like a really fast-paced, high-intensity, in-New-York-city lifestyle and kind of how that led you to where you are today.

The short, humorous nutshell is that working in reality TV drove me to therapy, and then it was so life-changing that I became a therapist.

And, you know, that's only a little part of the story.

But, yeah, I mean, I spent 15 years, as you mentioned, working first in publishing, but then for the majority of that.

I was a video editor working in reality TV, and it is such an intense, fast-paced, high-pressure.

I remember overhearing a producer in the background of my edit room once talking about another staff member on the show we were working on and saying, she should know that she could be fired at any minute.

And that was sort of emblematic of the atmosphere.

What's something a woman who may be experiencing that can do to sort of regulate the nervous system, which is going to be going crazy at a time like that?

i was interviewed by david lee roth which just was

so surreal very very exciting i recently looked back for into my emails during that time and it was like oh my goodness, everyone was so excited for me, like your career is about to take off.

Because I wanted to be a film director.

This was to launch me into being a director.

I had this screening of the film.

It was so exciting.

And then after the screening, I Googled my name and the name of the film, and amidst all this cool press that came up, the radio show, the TV segment, all this stuff, there was one blog post on some woman's very obscure personal blog that I only found because I was Googling my name.

And whatever symptom imperative you have, how does your symptom feel is another good one.