Could you maybe, like, flesh out that scenario?

scenario?Yeah.

So as you mentioned, there's this swarming capability, so that means using usually UAVs, so drones or flying autonomous weapons, in the scale of between tens to 50 to 100 to thousands.

There's no sort of definition of swarm, but you can just imagine it's a lot.

And they can be programmed to work together.

The official term is called multi-agent capabilities, and the way that weapons manufacturers are selling this idea of swarming is that you can have mass on the battlefield without a lot of human involvement, human operators.

And we're seeing that the most highly skilled human operator that controls, you know, normal drones, for example, they can only really control between 7 to 11 at a time.

But beyond process questions, I would love to have you articulate, explain what would you as an advocate, as someone who really has been at the fore of convening states around these issues and civil society around these issues, what do you want to see in a treaty? What would be your maximalist outcome from a treaty on lethal autonomous weapons systems?