Just tell me how from where have you come to this point? And I don't mean geographically, but what has led you to being the universal basic services person?

I think it's hard to sum it up, but I think you could say there were three things, sort of formative times in my life.

And one was when I was a young journalist, not particularly radical at the time, who discovered women's liberation or feminism and got involved in the women's movement movement.

When are we talking, late 60s? We're talking late, well, late 60s, very late 60s, early 70s and through the 70s and from then on, if you like.

And being a journalist, writing about all these issues seemingly for the first time and being passionately committed to the idea of everybody having an equal chance of a good life.

And then there was the time that I spent with the UK Sustainable Development Commission, which was from 2000 to 2009, where I learnt from my colleagues on the commission about the connections between social policy and environmental policy and sustainability and what it entailed and why it was so important and how we can go about making the connections between social justice and environmental sustainability.

would be effectively nationalised in order to make this UBS scheme work? Well,

there's another layer in between, which is the community layer, if you like.