Yeah

... that, that hummus is not a good food? I mean, frankly, are you really gonna tell me anything's not good? It's all about balance.

So, so it's very easy.

One of the things parents often say to me, "But I don't understand, you know, I don't want my children to have free rein over all foods." And I'm like, "No, and nor did I want my children," and, that my children are older, and I still don't want my children [laughs]...

I wanted to bring them up with knowledge, but almost more than knowledge, I was so terrified, having spent 25 years, or, well, not quite that long when I had them, but, but now, having spent years and years working in inpatient anorexia units and done inpatient, day patient, and outpatient eating disorders.

Yes, a lot of anorexia, but also bulimia, binge-eating, bariatrics.

For me, a healthy diet was all about the relationship with food and had very little to do with the foods they ate.

When we look at what happens, just to circle back to restriction or banning of certain foods, and obviously you've had so much experience around all the different eating disorders, what's really happening when we heavily restrict and ban food for children?

Exactly.

Um, and, and, and we are seeing that.

And so however much we say it, the issue is there.

On social media, it's everywhere.

I mean, there are, there are people pushing GLP-1s, and it's not only about GLP-1, so I, I will get off that, but people are pushing GLP-1s to say it's going to make your health better, and that's now being, you know, wellness.

It's all being, almost being put into the wellness silo.

And it's not a wellness tool.

Yeah

Are we being harsh on teenagers?

Teenagers are the most denigrated group in society.

And it is so harsh.

Now, let's face it, you know, there are lots of those traits that you listed off.

Yeah, that we all nod and recognise.

And yeah, it's a shitty, shitty time of life for many teenagers, isn't it? You know, your body's changing, your skin is rubbish, you're uncomfortable.

Every time you kind of find a way that you feel comfortable in your clothes, you change again and have to change them again.

It's