And what do you find helps with people then in terms of like coaching people through this difficult, sensitive process? Yeah.

so talking to each other as a couple like talking about what is important and not putting it like not postponing the difficult important topics because most couples just don't talk like they don't talk about normal topics and infertility it's even more like what do you think? What is your opinion? What is your opinion? And then just like, this is the rational level.

This is what they come with usually.

And then the second step, if they're open to that, is like all the emotions underneath.

And sometimes it goes like decision and see emotion back to the decision, or I don't know the sensation we should do donor spurns, but I really can't imagine having a foreign cell in my body that and does

Then, um,

I would say there's no proof of that, but I would say from a trauma definition, like if trauma is too much, too soon, too often, infertility treatments after a couple of times, it's too much, too often.

So there's always like this moment for many women.

And what do you find helps with people then in terms of like coaching people through this difficult, sensitive process? Yeah.

so talking to each other as a couple like talking about what is important and not putting it like not postponing the difficult important topics because most couples just don't talk like they don't talk about normal topics and infertility it's even more like what do you think? What is your opinion? What is your opinion? And then just like, this is the rational level.

This is what they come with usually.

And then the second step, if they're open to that, is like all the emotions underneath.

And sometimes it goes like decision and see emotion back to the decision, or I don't know the sensation we should do donor spurns, but I really can't imagine having a foreign cell in my body that and does

Then, um,

I would say there's no proof of that, but I would say from a trauma definition, like if trauma is too much, too soon, too often, infertility treatments after a couple of times, it's too much, too often.

So there's always like this moment for many women.