Was there, was there a point, though, when you did start playing some regular football at that level that you felt that you were, I guess, not just part of the team, but you were playing a role for them each and every week?

Yeah, I think there was...

Only to my last year that I was there, I felt like, felt confident and in my abilities that I was ha- uh, being a good impact to the Sturt side.

So took me a while to hone in different roles and positions.

My first year I was just the third tall forward playing down there, mainly just blocking for our K's, and every now and then I'd bob up for a goal or mainly just running those, like, fat side patterns, but then slowly progressed to working to my way inside and I guess my ability to have a role in there and play a bit more defensive while we had the likes of, uh, Tom Lewis and, uh, Will Snelling, who have both gone on to be Magarey Medallist dominate.

And I've been able to work with them and learn off them, how they, how they're so good around their contested stuff and body work stuff.

So it's been kind of good that I've been able to have a step back and look at two of the reigning SANFL best players of the, in the comp.

So, um, there was already, I know from a supporter's point of view, some chat about you, but, um, in terms of your own personal self, what, what were some of those goals and, and ambitions that you had, um, initially?