So you're clearly leaning into learning and development and knowledge management at Shepley Bulfinch in a major way, and I just wanna start with why now, why you, what's going on?

Ha.

[laughs] You know, I, I realize teaching and learning is something that is at the core of who I am as a leader, just as a person.

Curiosity has been part of my life forever, and I've learned by being in the deep end of the pool a lot.

And I think without curiosity and learning, that just doesn't happen.

But I really started to understand how people are different and how you can energize people through learning that people are excited about when I was teaching at MIT.

So that, that's a piece of the puzzle.

Mm-hmm.