Do you feel like the state has been able to take a number of actions to minimize what is viewed by opponents of this law as harms? Do you feel like it's still going to have pretty significant impact in ter- in terms of people losing benefits?

So tr- trying to predict the crystal ball, the thing I am 100% confident in is that, one, we have done everything we possibly can and are going to continue this fight.

It never ends, is what I've found.

Even when, you know, we get a, a court ruling, we keep going.

Even when the legislature does their darndest to give us funding with the governor's support, we keep going.

I think what is heartbreaking for me is that no matter where these numbers land, again, I get a lot of kind of spectrum numbers, the pain and suffering we're putting people through now is horrific.

Imagine being the person, October 1, you think you're losing coverage.

And in your conversations with the governor and with budget writers and your own staff, and you think about this decision package you're putting forth, what is the big picture? Is it about are you having to actually look at cutting more people off of services or reducing your workforce, or is it about treading water and not expanding? What's the sort of reality check here?