But how do you think these institutions have helped shape a more inclusive society, a society that recognizes the injustices of the past and its mission is to make sure that all South Africans enjoy the fruits of this democracy that we are talking about?

So, I mean, these institutions, criticized as they are, they have been very essential and critical in safeguarding institutions.

Our courts continue to oppose constitutional rights.

The media plays a very important role in exposing wrongdoing, and tetanite institutions exist to protect democracy and hold power accountable.

I mean, and civil society organizations, including the Aba Kaprada Foundation, that work to deepen democracy beyond just formal structures.

Our focus as the foundation has been on non-racialism, active citizenship and youth development, because a democracy cannot function if citizens are not active, they are passive, right? So, institutions and organizations cannot substitute an active citizenry.

So, they are there, they are active, and they are playing their role, but stand in the place of active citizens.

And how do you persist or, you know, see the economic disparities having an effect on race relations and social trust in South Africa