Because the pressures that were being applied to you elsewhere basically made you feel like you needed to go into

those traps.

Yeah, a little bit, yeah.

Probably pressuring myself because I've never really, I've never actually been in that situation before.

You know, you can listen to what other people say, but obviously, you know, it's your own mind, your own life kind of thing.

So you're trying to get... get into it yeah but I kind of I jumped to the first properly opportunity fantastic opportunity fantastic football club fantastic people even right to the end it obviously didn't work out results etc didn't work out at all but right to the end they were absolutely brilliant with me but I just had a gut feeling even when I went there that it probably wasn't right but I kind of I just thought right I'll make try and make it work I'd lost a couple of family members at the time.

I moved from Birmingham to Shropshire pretty much in the sticks.

So how, you know, how do you compare being a player and being in a coaching role or being in management in terms of that stress?

How, how, you know, how, how confident would we be as Oxford fans?

Um, I played a lot of my career at Oxford as a, as a center midfielder.

Um, pretty much just wanted to defend.

I used to love literally just win the ball back and then just watching the, the attackers go and attack.

Then if the ball comes out, I either smash someone or I'll just be there defending.

Do you know what I mean? Um, now we're struggling.

Now we're struggling.

Did you like, like going up top?