Tell me a little bit about Rockstep Capital and why you decided to name the company Rockstep Capital.

So, Keith, I like swing music, big band, 1950s genre, Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald, Peggy Lee, swing music.

And A rock step is a dance move when you're dancing swing or dancing ballroom.

One, two, three, one, two, three, rock step or ball pivot change.

Keith, not sure if you've ever... done dancing with a partner, you are rockstepping.

And so we use it as a metaphor to be nimble, to be agile, to be responsive.

Keith, great opportunity.

So, um, but what, so from there, Andy, you know, when you decided to leave the family business, uh, because of the chapter 29, um, you decided to kind of recreate yourself and start, uh, this, this retail business, which I guess isn't totally recreating because you were already in that business, but what, what was your goals? Like, what did you set out to do and where, where did you initially start? Was it there in Houston?

So how does that affect what kind of retailers you bring in, how the mall basically looks like and operates?

Yeah.

So...

We have certain anchors, and the anchors are Nordstrom Rack and Burlington and Café du Monde and Polo and Coach and Kate Spade.

So we have kind of these bigger named draws.

And then we have a lot of restaurants.

And restaurants are very much in demand for kind of the tourism there.

So can you expand on that a little bit? What are you seeing in terms of consumer spending? Are people spending differently than they were? So

yeah did you form the rock steps yourself or did you have the team involved or how did you, how did you formulate those?

Great, great question.

So, um, I'm part of a group called Vistage.

I don't know if you're familiar with that.

Um, and, um, there was a guy there named Dave.

There is a, there was a speaker there.

I'm very close to David, David Friedman, who, uh, came to one of our groups in Houston and the most, uh, And he really connected with me and we put, he helps companies put together something that resonates with their leader.

Okay.

So when did that start? What was the first enclosed mall?

The first, we bought a property from CBL in Vicksburg, Mississippi.

We also bought a Kroger Center simultaneously because TJ's was looking at both.

And we said, if we bought both, it'll at least come in a one.

And they came in.

OK.

And in that market, we ended up with a strategy that we've used in every mall that we have purchased.

So,