It was like, goal.

Yeah.

So there's another instance where you think, really? But again, I don't think we ever had a grip on the game totally to convince...

to convince us that we were going to always march on and win that.

I think, listen, you have to give them a bit of credit.

They're very competitive.

And as we said before the game, they can score goals from out of nothing, really.

No,

Josko Gvardiol could've got a second yellow, and probably should've done.

Yes.

I think out of the two of those, I would've been inclined to, uh, to have given Josko Gvardiol a second yellow, 'cause he go- he was on a yellow card, and a free kick was given against him.

He was kind of on top of the ball when that free kick was given against him.

He didn't get away from the ball, and he stopped André Silva the chance to take a, a quick free kick, and that's always very risky.

I mean, by rights, he should've got a second yellow, and he's off.

Um, I thought that, that Marc Guéhi personally made great contact with his head.

Little bit lucky there, but in the end, they got the second goal, and it's a really good finish with his right foot from Erling Haaland.

Was it sad, or was it-

Well, do you know what? I think, again, at the end of it, when you realize that it's all finally sort of over and, you know, you're going home, you...

So, so, you know, you get, when you get back to the hotel, you get told, "Right, we're leaving at 9:00 o'clock in the morning." You know, so you're getting your bags packed and you're throwing everything in or whatever.

And then it's like, we know we're always gonna go downstairs and, and go to the bar and have a few beers and go for it.

But it, but to start with, I think everyone was tired and everyone was disappointed, you know? So it's a little bit subdued when a, you know, when some of the songs were starting, it was a bit, "Mm, mm." You know, it's a bit like that sort of thing, singing along.

But then, you know, listen, once, uh, once you start getting a, a few beers on board and-

He's done all right from Sunderland in the last few years

... he's done...

How, how did you feel making it?

Well, it was, um, it was about two years ago.

Gabriel Clarke...

I, I know Gabriel and Pete Thomas very well from my ITV days.

When I was working at ITV, those boys were, uh, were, were always heavily involved a- at, at ITV, and so they, they...

I know they've already made some very interesting stuff.

The, the, the Bobby Robson story, More Than a Manager, was a, was a great film.

You only need two? [laughs]

[laughs]

And that's, that's, that's what it is.

That's the way that, that they do it.

But they, but they, they are so, um...

They admire him so much, and you can tell that they look up to him s- to such levels that they will, they will forfeit all of their own game to keep his, to keep his legacy totally intact and make sure that they do everything they can.

It's almost like they desperately don't wanna disappoint him as much as their fans and anybody else.

It's, it's...

Another guy.

Is that correct?

Correct.

Yeah.

We did, uh, I think all in all, I think I did eight in there, uh, John, and saw some really good games.

Saw Japan, Netherlands was a, was a good game.

Obviously, Messi doing what Messi does has been incredible.

I've never seen a, a, a ...

Yeah.

But his pressing was 21st century.

Yeah, no, without a doubt.

He was adamant about that, Neil.

There was no...

That was non-negotiable with Big Jack.

You either did that or you didn't play, really.

I remember one night in a friendly.

I

... till they lift another one.

Not at all.

And I...

And, and listen, this I believe for the club right now, in the position it's in, I think this is the start.

There will be...

There'll be comings and goings in the summer.

There always is everywhere.

Hopefully, he'll be here for many more years and bring more trophies to this wonderful football club.

But you do not t- turn to Callum McFarlane, who has managed two games of football in his entire life at a professional level, and he hasn't won either of them.

I, I, I'm...

Again, Sam, I'm 100% in agreement, uh, with you.

I think, I think this next little period, rather than being, to having someone to try and...

With, with respects to Callum, I don't know the guy, and I don't wanna sound too, I don't wanna be, sound disrespectful.

But, you know, rather than limping into the summer from this point, players not really sure or not really, really, uh, uh, aware of exactly what's going on, I think it would have, wouldn't have done him any harm at all to have got someone in with a bit of clout, a bit of repute, a reputation that, that when he's, when a voice is heard in the dressing room, everyone starts to listen.

Someone that isn't afraid, someone that doesn't pander to these boys.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink has gone on the television tonight and said, "Just give me a call and I'll help you out." There are a n- number of people that would come in and steer the ship until the end of the season.

So yeah, 2-0 doesn't look like Arsenal dominated, but actually, I think that keeper saved Bayer Leverkusen to a certain extent.

Yeah, he did.

Look, he made a number of great stops, um, to keep it, certainly keep it at 0-0 before Eze scored.

He made, must have made five or six really good saves.

Um, Champions League football, you know, Ade, as I mentioned before the game, it is not about totally, totally dominating your opponent, rarely.

I mean, obviously PSG have completely blitzed Chelsea, have had far too much for them over the two legs.

But usually at this stage of the competition, it's about moments and then managing the rest of the game.

But over 90 minutes in a one-off game, Arsenal, you would fancy them against anybody, surely.