You're the voice of the normal bloke in the Wirral, aren't you?

I work in a car factory, maintenance in a car factory, which is something I'm going to touch on later.

I can walk around the car factory and speak to different people and get a wide range of, you know, socialist people in there and talk to them about it, people who are further right than me, you know, and it's just a wide range.

Whereas if you work in education or the NHS, you're not allowed to speak freely.

You can't talk about what you think.

You've got to adhere to the strict left guidelines.

I can walk around the car factory and speak to different people and get a wide range of, you know, Socialist people in there and I talk to them about it, people who are further right than me, you know, and it's just a wide range.

political class to say if you don't do something about it at the next election you are going to be voted out because it's not just the uk it's happening all over europe and no other country has the open borders to the extent that we do so you know it's not racist is it it's common sense

The information where unknown forces strike the edge of ecology.

I mean, why does 9-11 still matter? Well, because the events that we're seeing in the world today are still directly based on what happened back then.

And you might have noticed that line in the song about how freedom slips away.

And it really did.

There's many things that, you know, we used to take for granted that we had and the freedoms we had that really did slip away after 9-11.

And of course, now we've got generations that don't remember what it was like before then.

The, the plan full stop, does it sort of make sense to you as someone who understands the industry? Does it, does it meet some of the needs that you've talked to us about on the program before?

Well, I think, uh, it's, it's fair to say that the situation as far as access to, uh, capital is concerned, mostly access to debt capital, has become much easier, uh, since, uh, twenty twenty-two.

I mean, I recall in twenty twenty-one, uh, going to the Hamburg office of Deutsche Bank, um, to set up a commercial banking account for our new German subsidiary then, um, [laughs] and being invited to depart, uh, when they discovered, uh, and this was not a state secret, that our [laughs] subsidiary was actually involved in defense technology 'cause they, they wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

And it has all changed completely now.

I mean, um, they were amongst, uh, many, uh, banks, uh, who, uh, you know, were very interested in getting the term sheet when we recently renewed quite a substantial facility.

So, um, you know, access to capital, certainly for, for businesses like ours, which is, um, a, a, an AIM-listed business, uh, a- about six hundred million market capital, has got much, much easier.

But I'm very conscious that, um, uh, perhaps at, at, at the smaller end of the, of the market it might be difficult.

It can't be just this.

Mm-hmm.

And they've been able to come back and describe to the medical staff things they saw in other rooms that they were never physically taken into.

And I have spoken to so many people who have had out-of-body experiences, and some didn't get any further than the room, and they were just hovering a few feet away.

Others found they could go fully traveling and, you know, go and see other countries or whatever, as some say they can, um, and then eventually come back to their body.

The...

I think there is more than enough evidence that this is something we do.

And without wanting to go too far down the conspiracy route, we do now know from whistleblowers that, for instance, the US military has been employing remote viewers, as they call it, to do this very kind of work, but for espionage.

It seems to really change people profoundly after they've had a near-death experience.

explanation.How did you get interested in the paranormal? Is this something that goes way back to when you were younger, or maybe you had a, you had an experience you couldn't explain? How did, how did you become interested in it?

I did have some strange experiences when I was young, but it's a, a funny thing, I didn't...

That didn't really set me necessarily at that time on the path of pursuing that kind of thing.

It was a little bit later, uh, I was in my, uh, late 20s, uh, and I, again, I was open to anything mysterious, but, um, and I found crop circles when I was in the west country of England one year.

Now, crop circles are very controversial.

They are these shapes that keep appearing in the fields, and there's all kinds of arguments about them, but they are there.

They're still there, still going on.

Mm-hmm

And getting, um, you know, Wayne had said what, what great people Bailey's parents were, and then I can sort of hand it off from there

thereYeah, I mean, it was, uh, a no- like Jeff said, a no-brainer in terms of a story, in terms of wanting to try and include something like that, 'cause it...

Bringing the heart back to Wrexham literally is like every metaphor you could ever possibly want as a storyteller.

But then in, in addition to that, like you said, we were really grateful and benef- and, and benefited hugely from the relationship that the UK team built with the, with both s- both parties when it came to that story in order to make sure that that was possible, keep everybody on side.

But then also, I think it was important for us to be able to illustrate that we ha- we had trust from them from, from the way that we were trying to tell the story.

So we showed them the pieces before it went out on air to make sure that they were comfortable with everything that went on do- went down as well.

So I think the fact that we've got that kind of collaboration with some of the people that we do have some pretty in-depth stories about, that sort of illustrates that we're, we wanna pr- tell these stories in a positive light or tell these stories in a, in an informative and honest light as opposed to being salacious.

Yeah, I think, you know-

I- is that still your opinion? Is this perhaps causing you to delay investment or innovation or the things that clearly the UK needs?

Well, I think it certainly is true that, uh, small businesses are likely to be the, the worst hit as they won't have the, uh, capital or the balance sheets to, uh, you know, to be able to continue in the, in the absence of the expected flow of contracts.

Um, as, as far as we're concerned, I mean, it's really, um, an extension of what has been a delay, uh, in, you know, clear defense planning, uh, for over a year now.

Um, and, and really since the, the, the government came into office, um, we've, we've lacked, uh, a clear spending plan and we've, we've seen, um, the non-arrival of expected defense programs.

Um, when they arrive, they've been smaller than we'd previously expected.

Uh, and then we have, you know, difficult processes which start with tenders being requested.

Um, when we, when we put those in, there are delays in reviewing them, uh, delays in approvals, uh, higher level approvals are, are apparently needed.

Are you deliberately growing your spending outside of the UK?