And then if you do one of those exemptive fishing permits and you actually get the information, does that kind of information lead to possibly opening a longer season? Certainly giving you data that is much needed, right?

Yeah, there's a lot to unpack there.

So first, going back to Goliath, that's a little bit different situation in that if you recall from when we talked a year ago, the state has authority to manage species out to either three or nine miles depending on the coastline and We then manage in federal waters beyond that out to 200 miles.

And so the state has opted to allow for some limited harvest of Goliath grouper in state waters, but harvest is prohibited still outside of state waters, right? But they've exercised their authority, which they have to do that.

For Red Snapper, so yes, so in part, it's what can we learn from the exempted fishing permits? Is this a approved or better management strategy than the current short fishing seasons? What information can be gained to help us determine the health status of the population? We actually have two other things that are ongoing or kind of wrapping up at this point.

One is a new stock assessment for Red Snapper.

Um, actually, there's new stock assessments for red snapper in both the Gulf and South Atlantic.

So that's the question that several people asked me to ask today was why should they participate in these surveys?