I suppose, I suppose why, why do you make, why did you make an app, and why do you think that it, that it supports that kind of learning?

Um, so we'll go way, way, way, way back to the end of the '90s.

Um, I was, I was going to music school, and we were working out of a really dense rhythmic book called Rhythm and Meter, uh, by this great drum teacher named Gary Chaffee.

Um, and we had to do, play back all these reading exercises, but none of us knew what these rhythms actually really sounded like.

They were all broken quintuplets and septuplets and things with lots of rests, and no metronome really played that back.And so it was, you kind of was like guesswork.

Like, I think this is what it sounds like, but there was no real way of really knowing.

Um, so I was always wishing that something was available to do it, and this is way before apps even existed.

[chuckles] Now we're gonna play the piece from list A," et cetera, et cetera.