I've heard that

...

I promise, the f- it's two and a half hours long.

Anyone, I won't spoil it, anyone who goes to see it, the first hour is what you see in the trailer, and then you cannot predict where it goes in the second half of the movie.

And I would strongly encourage any whistleblowers on this, uh, stream or folks involved in the topic to go and check it out because it's a really interesting movie, and it goes pretty wild.

Then again, maybe given what Grush said the other day, it's not too wild.

Um, but yeah, it was a really interesting film, so go and check that out.

How generous.

What did you think about it, before we listen to a c- a few minutes of it?

Yeah, pretty interesting.

C- again, like, it, it starts off, they're speaking about the subject really rationally.

Um, they, they are saying that there are a lot of things they believe are misidentifications, they believe are, um, I think they call them, um, crackpots.

Again, we're going back to 1952, so the language is very much, like, simple.

And again, I'm not against that, to be honest.

It, it, they're saying it plainly.

Uh, and anything you gotta say to the people, man, before we leave?

What do you think, Andy?

It, it, it's still odd timing, and I'm still not entirely sure on the reason for it.

I'm not complaining.

All good.

But for Bigelow just to randomly pop out now and be very well-researched.

He's got a wonderful set of notes for each episode.

Um, so they know what they're gonna talk about.

Yeah.

Oh.

Um, and a lot of folks commented to say, "Here was the light we saw.

Here was the UFO." I'm glad they filmed it.

I'm glad there's such an interest that people want to do this and post it online because this really helps, and it's like metadata for dates, times, uh, and multiple people seeing the same thing all really helps.

And it's not a bad thing to be able to, to debunk or basically solve it because it means the ones that aren't solvable are far more interesting.

[laughing]

Um, but you know what? It's, it-- The guy seems to take some good footage.

It's, it's going to be more commonplace, especially at gigs.

Yeah.

And myself and Xander had a very interesting back and forward, and we disagree on a lot of this stuff, okay? Uh, I, I'm-- I don't think I'm more loose morally around how this might play out, but I think I'm more realistic than a lot of folks are, that we might just have to swallow the fact that some people will have a massive advantage.

This is something that's been talked about.

This is where I disagree with this being a pitch.

I think he's just saying how it is.

This is something Richard Dolan and Bryce Zabel, who famously co-authored a book called After Disclosure, um, that Bryce likes to mention, and it's a really good book.

But this is, this kind of stuff is talked about, the whole idea of what happens after disclosure.

Take a look.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

Uh, but even then, what if disclosure, they can work out...

Uh, Richard Dolan and Bryce Zabel famously written a, wrote a book called AD, After Disclosure, folks.

Bryce never mentions he co-authored it.

Um, it's a joke for a lot of folks who will know what I mean.

However, what if the people who genuinely know about the truth know that what they can disclose will...

The cake analogy.

Anyone?

Yeah, go on Andy.

I was going to say that, do you know what, in a word, no, our organisation can't do that, but other people getting involved with our organisation can.

The four of us, you know, you can have a magazine, you can have a podcast, but that's only going to reach a certain audience.

We need to get past that audience that is involved in the topic already.

And it is just trying to promote and have that serious discussion there.

Again, George, there are some really credible researchers out there, some credible journalists, people like yourself sitting down with Bob Bigelow, with Lou Elizondo, with these people and having a really serious conversation.

So I'd like to take on the broader understanding of reality that's not just UFOs, that encompasses a lot of other strange phenomena, whether you've ever delved into this yourself, any hotspots in the UK, and whether you think it's legitimate to broaden the investigation of what

So how long have you been interested in the topic?

So I just turned 40 the last two weeks ago.

Yeah.

And since I was a little boy, I always enjoyed following Loch Ness Monster was one of my first thing being from Scotland.

I love the UFO topic.

I used to go to the library.

So you'll remember Martin like myself long before the internet in the 90s.

And what's your opinion of that?