Can you take me to how you think about bringing teams together and that particular story?

Sure.

I certainly won't be naming names on this story, but it is quite interesting.

So, I mean, essentially, if you're going to achieve in life, you just have to be prepared to do what it takes.

And it's fairly simple.

And I think everyone has got their areas of specialism.

So I'm relatively better at that than I am at this.

How do you manage it?