How do we, how do we get leaders to realize that The only real way to get, well, not the only, but the best way to get the highest outcome and capacity of your teams is to be human-centered, right? Like, how do we get folks to understand that that's not, to your point, a soft skill, but it's almost a requirement, particularly with our this generation coming through and who's sitting starting to occupy leadership

seats? 100%.

And I think it really...

So...

One, 100%.

You're absolutely correct in that.

I think really part of the challenge in the environment we live in today is too many leaders have been promoted because they were technically good and not promoted because they knew how to work with people.

So the question was like, do leaders acknowledge that people said that prior to and that your intent is to really prove to them in the long term that you're not going to lead that way? you have to, you