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right, I want to preach to you on the topic in love.

Everybody say in love.

Turn to somebody you're in love with.

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I don't want to make it awkward for you.

All right, let's read this passage of Scripture.

Decisions.

But maybe if somebody does have a baggage with them, where both parties basically think that the other party keeps lying at them or something like that, or like speaking through a tease or something like that, as you would say, then it will be much more difficult to really get those things right and really come up with a convincing argument that, no, we are not going to get rid of the train drivers.

I think stakeholder management is absolutely fundamental to what we're doing.

It's curious, isn't it? I think when we started our careers, I never really imagined I'd end up sitting here having this conversation with you.

We were sitting there over a scheme plan slipping in pegwork.

And the idea of active stakeholder management was a world away.

It was what other people did in other industries.

But yeah, I seem to spend a lot of my professional life now sitting between people doing exactly what you're talking about, doing that stakeholder management, doing that mediation, and trying to positive benefits that being a person in the railway environment brings.

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