I

would agree with that.

I mean, I think we've had a lot of really, really interesting and cool conversations, but I want to come back to the second half of kind of what your question was, which is sort of like, when did you know it was happening or whatever? And I was relating to John earlier a story about just like last week where I kind of knew things were sort of like picking up because like I got five requests like from people within the company that had forwarded things from different universities, different people, different things, all these different groups that wanted to get engaged with QNX everywhere.

And so it kind of felt like things were just flooding in.

I'm like, what? Whoa, OK, like we're really getting some momentum.

Critical loss.

Yeah.

Tell us a little bit about how the idea came to pass and what it's all about.

I think so,

yeah.

I totally agree.

And, yeah, I mean, it's interesting that you should say that because, I mean, you know, certainly I have listened.

There are a lot of podcasts out there that are, you know, Delta Green themed or role-playing themed, and I've listened to a bunch of them.

And I didn't really take similar to you.

I mean, I didn't really take those as cues as to how I thought we should approach that.

Yeah, but it just kind of builds to that crescendo.

It's like, what are we even doing here, guys? What's

the conversation? Right, right.

Why are we on this show? Why does this make sense? That's very fair.

So, you know, we have had a kind of a really interesting and long evolving story with open source.

And I think for some of your audience who may remember, we did go fully open source at one point in our history.

And that was kind of like right around the time when we were acquired by Research in Motion for use in the BlackBerry.

And they were thinking, Hey, this, this stuff is special sauce.

is where you can make your earth shattering announcement that you're going to open source.