That opening theme song, um, how did you balance recreating that with the original?

That was, uh, that was sort of a, um, [clears throat] an exercise in, uh, in, in sort of testing the boundaries of, like, how nuts should we go? Um, I now can't remember exactly how many versions we did, but it was, like, double digits that we just did before we even presented anything, just Taylor and I, because we wanted to sort of figure out, like, how far to go.

Like, here's a completely modern version of it, here's, like, a full-on '90s version, and everything in the middle.

And then we even did, like, a really dark version of it that was very slow, um, that ended up playing at the end of the, uh, the Gambit episode last season.

That was that, that slow piano version of it.

So, um, it's funny, like, when we, when we got to meet Ron Wasserman, we, we told him all of this, and, and he was like, he was asking about, like, the sounds we used, and we were asking him about the sounds he used.

It's, it was really fun.

So I gotta ask you, which was more challenging to work on, uh, Daredevil or X-Men?

That opening theme song, um, how did you balance recreating that with the original?

That was, uh, that was sort of a, um, [clears throat] an exercise in, uh, in, in sort of testing the boundaries of like how nuts should we go? Um, I now can't remember exactly how many versions we did, but it was like double digits that we just did before we even presented anything, just Taylor and I, because we wanted to sort of figure out like how far to go.

Like here's a completely modern version of it, here's like a full-on '90s version, and everything in the middle.

And then we even did like a really dark version of it that was very slow, um, that ended up playing at the end of the, uh, the Gambit episode last season.

That was the, that slow piano version of it.

So, um, it's funny, like when we, when we got to meet Ron Wasserman, we, we told him all of this, and, and he was like, he was asking about like the sounds we used, and we were asking him about the sounds he used.

It's, it was really fun.

So I gotta ask you, which was more challenging to work on, uh, Daredevil or X-Men?