So what was it like working with Michael and what did he really bring to this role that allowed maybe someone who is misguided still to be a memorable character? And I think someone that probably people still ultimately connect with in some way.

Yeah, it was a very tricky role because he starts out as this kind of disgusting, you know, very racist, extremist villain who's been informed from the information he receives.

Like so many of us, you know, we're in the silos that we're in.

We're influenced by our parents or whatever kind of environment that you were raised in.

This is the kind of person you become.

And it's part of the kind of the message of the film as well.

But, you know, we needed an actor who could who could take this ride on these really villainous jerks.

And, you know, what opportunities are there for Virginia really to shine in the filmmaking space, maybe moving forward now as, you know, maybe Hollywood's on a little bit of unsteady footing right now?

So what was it like working with Michael and what did he really bring to this role that allowed maybe someone who is misguided still to be a memorable character? And I think someone that probably people still ultimately connect with in some way.

Yeah, it was a very tricky role because he starts out as this kind of disgusting, you know, very racist, extremist villain who's been informed from the information he receives.

Like so many of us, you know, we're in the silos that we're in.

We're influenced by our parents or whatever kind of environment that you were raised in.

This is the kind of person you become.

And it's part of the kind of the message of the film as well.

But, you know, we needed an actor who could who could take this ride on these really villainous jerks.

And, you know, what opportunities are there for Virginia really to shine in the filmmaking space, maybe moving forward now as, you know, maybe Hollywood's on a little bit of unsteady footing right now?

Wow.

And I told a writer friend of mine, I said, hey, man, my script got an eight on the blacklist.

He's like, what? I've been writing for 25 years.

The best I've ever gotten was a seven.

So I was like, okay, it must be pretty good.

So move forward, move forward.

You go through the whole drama that indie filmmakers know of trying to push the boulder up the hill to try to get the thing made.

So