And I think that that's just so, um, you gotta keep that at the heart.

four C's bit.

And I know I make people in, you know, contemporaries in the business who, whom I think are great people.

I will say that too.

Independent jewelers are like fricking hardworking people, risk takers.

And, but I'm not the kind of guy that even, I think the four C's are, are just, planted on people.

Like we're going to make you believe it's really, really important in the final purchase.

yeah yeah from burrs right everyone does yeah yeah that's so cool but at the same time what sort of things um i've learned a ton of things through the podcast but i almost keep myself um intentionally a novice if that makes any sense granted i am a novice but it's almost like i would love to be in the seat of a of a student um i can only imagine you've learned quite a bit as well um is there anything that you've like you you might have learned through your podcast

It makes me really nervous.

It's just a thing.

Mechanical pencils were my nightmare because the stupid little fine point lead, the minute I even touch the paper, snap.

So then I go click, click, click, click, click.

Start again.

Snap.

Click, click, click, click, click.

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