Well, let's start by saying, Andrew, explain what the Camino de Santiago is.

The Camino de Santiago is also known as the Way of St. James.

It is a very old pilgrimage there's actually a nationally protected nationally internationally protected uh pilgrimage one of the only two in the world that is protected and it is i did the french say so it's a about a 32-day walk if you want to really move a little bit and there's just so much history this pilgrimage has been going on since the medieval period, even before that.

And it has to do with the walk all the way to Santiago de Compostela, which is the ending point to the Cathedral of St. James in Santiago.

And it definitely changes a person, this walk.

You definitely have time to think, time to take in the sights.

This was my first time ever out of the home country, like out of the United States.

did your relationship with God grow?