It had to have gone through multiple layers to get this far.

We know exactly which layers it went to.

The headteacher made the decision.

It went to the disciplinary panel of the governors who agreed with it.

It then went to the independent review panel, who two to one held up the decision to exclude.

However, it then went to the courts.

and judicial review.

Let's have a debate over it.

So tell us about your experience with the study programs that you have engaged with, how they help, maybe even where there was disappointments, because let's be real, nothing's perfect, but we find our way through them and do our best to learn lots.

Absolutely.

Well, look, there's probably two examples that I can speak to.

The first is, as I mentioned, I undertook a Masters of Public Health programme and I think...

Like most things, you decide that you're going to go into a particular course with a question in mind.

And for me, it was, say, I was interested in how the system was organized and how we might be able to take a step back and do things differently.

Having made that choice, I then got my eyes opened to a wide range of other things.

If you could give us something, a sense of a situation that was, yep, going a bit pear-shaped and how you use that for your own personal growth and the betterment of the system.

just...

but a lot of it, it just comes down to, you know, we, Well, I guess it's like physical fitness.

You don't have to have a plan to run a marathon to think you should be physically fitter.

You don't have to plan to play football as your reason to be physically fitter.

You definitely don't need a proper...

If you fall ill, you don't think, well, that'll stop me going to work.

You just think you'd want to be well for its own sake.

So is that because of that?