What can you tell us about the true nature of her relationship with her brother? Because it was often reported, for instance, that she pleaded with him to provide her with accommodation at Althorp, the family seat in Northamptonshire, and he refused, and then some people then calculated, well, that then pushed her into the arms of the Al Fayeds.

Well, there, there's a, there's an element of that, and he deals with that incident quite thoroughly in the book, where he talks about, um, initially offering the garden f- the garden house to Diana, Diana nudging him for it, and then the police reporting back to say that it's too close to a road.

It's, it's not really suitable for the princess and the, and her two boys, both in line to the throne.

And so that was knocked on the head, but he, in his narrative he says that he offered her a more substantial place on the, on the Althorp estate and, but she for some reason refused to take it.

I remember that in- that whole episode very well indeed because she was talking to us on a regular basis at that time, and we were talking about where could she possibly live in, in the country well, to entertain William and Harry.

W- where could she buy a country estate? And she looked at places in, in Wales, in Wiltshire, and finally she, she came up with the obvious idea, "Why don't I live, why don't I have a country place on the Althorp estate?" And so, and she was bitterly, bitterly disappointed by Charles' response.

Wrote him a letter.

Um, Andrew, what, what is your analysis of King Charles having spoken at such great length with his ex-wife about their marriage? I mean, what, what's your assessment of the man?

I'm aware of mortality." But what do you think?

I would go with Spencer on this.

I mean, the last time I spoke to him, we talked about taking a trip down memory lane before we got too old, and he agreed with that, and the fact that he's written a memoir about his school days.

He's now written Diana's memoir.

He's a historian himself of some note.

And I think that that's what he, he wants to do, control the narrative so that when there's this outpouring of documentaries and other material about Diana on the 30th, they'll have to navigate around what he's written.

So he's trying to take control of the narrative.

How do you read that?

There

wasn't a thread between them.

They were great friends, supporters, and they did everything that Dinah would have hoped.

That is to say, Harry was the wingman to William and accepted his position.

But when you dig down deeper, he was resentful of that.

And that manifested itself in some of his behavior.

What would she have made of it? Well, time is a great healer.

What would she have done in this situation? And aren't Harry and Meghan overstepping the Sandringham Agreement that she set out?

But what do you think?

I would go with Spencer on this.

I mean, the last time I spoke to him, we talked about taking a trip down memory lane before we got too old.

And He agreed with that.

And the fact that he's written a memoir about his school days, he's now written Diana's memoir, is a historian himself of some note.

And I think that that's what he wants to do, control the narrative so that when there's this outpouring of documentaries and other material about Diana on the 30th, they'll have to navigate around what he's written.

So he's trying to take control of the narrative.

How do you read that?

Well, let's move on to Harry and Meghan because you've argued that Harry and Meghan should give up their royal titles, but there's almost no chance they will do so willingly, correct? Well, what...

I mean, all I'm doing is going with the flow of their argument.

Their argument is all family are bad.

They drove Megan to near suicide.

They're coming back.

Since 1917, when George V changed the family name to Windsor, very few entrants their titles.

It's mainly been arguably a commoner monarchy.

What would she have done in this situation? And aren't Harry and Meghan overstepping the Sandringham Agreement that she set out?

I think it, I think it surprised him that this would be off the table.

Yeah, I mean, the, the- This, this couple, I have to, I ask the question, what have they actually gained from the six years that they've been away from Britain? I mean, apart from a massive legal bill.

I mean, what, what ...

If, if they'd, if they'd stayed inside the royal family, they would have been probably one of the mo- the, the most popular of the quartet.

They would have, uh, uh, added great value to the monarchy, and w- without this kind of controversy.

And it seems that by coming back, that they're waiting, that they would like the, the slate to be wiped clean.

It ain't gonna happen.

I agree.

We love Katie Nicholl.

I mean, I, I, I spoke to Katie before she was due to give evidence, and she w- sh- you know, she was understandably very nervous.

And there comes a point in every legal case where the barrister or the senior solicitor takes the, the complainant into a room and says, "Right.

Nobody's listening.

This is, this is between you and I. I- are you telling the truth? Are you gonna, uh, pursue this, or, or should we just, um, wipe our mouths and move on?" And the, the, the thing about Harry is that he's been looking Into the past for years now, for, for, for, for, for certainly for most of, for all his marriage to Meghan.

Wow.

And, uh, I found that quite very touching.

That's one aspect of the book which, you know, really struck me.

Did you know at the time, um, quite the impact it was going to have? I mean, i- it changed our understanding of the royal family in my submission.

There's a cartoon that I've got on my wall in my study that shows, uh, Princess Diana and the Queen in, in, in the, in the coach parade at Ascot, and people waving Diana: Her True Story, and the Queen saying, "I, I remember when [laughs] they used, they used to wave flags." So, so i- i- it was, uh, uh, uh, had tremendous impact, uh, when it came out in June 1992.

And, you know, around, uh, it ha- it had a global impact because i- it contrasted vividly with what had come before with the f- the 1981 wedding of the year between Prince Charles and Princess Diana.

Uh, uh, it was seen as, uh, described by the Archbishop of Canterbury as a fairy tale.

Well, it was a fairy tale that very quickly became a nightmare, as, as I described.

What do you think, Andrew?

Uh, I take it the Cornish way, jam first, then cream.

I, uh, it's interesting, um, when I was, uh, writing my book on, um, on Meghan Markle, she sh- I, I live in Pasadena in, in Los Angeles, uh, for some of the year, and I was walking on the street and somebody said, "Oh, Andrew, go see, uh, Mary and Edmund.

I am shocked.

I mean, when I was writing my book, researching my book on the Queen, it was clear that the one fatal flaw she had, well, two fatal flaws she has was an indulgence of then Prince Andrew, but also this inability, what they used to call ostriching, putting her head in the sand and ignoring what was going on around her and kicking the can down the road and not resolving an issue, not gripping an issue to misquote Tony Blair, but to let something drag on for years and years.

I mean, sometimes it was successful with, for example, Princess Margaret's romance with Group Captain Peter Townshend in the early 1950s.

That eventually petered out and a constitutional crisis was averted.

But with Andrew, this has dragged on and the fact that they paid an estimated £12 million, either pounds or dollars to take the currency that you wish, to settle this and it wasn't and it wasn't settled it just led to more questions is a classic example of the queen putting her head in the sand and trying to resolve an issue without gripping the nettle

Randy Andy.

Well, the funny thing is...

When you look back at Andrew in 1982, when he was in the Falklands, he was the pinup prince, the playboy prince, the the most the world's most eligible bachelor and it was my i just started as a royal reporter and my first gig was ch was chasing andrew and a girl called ku stark who was an american actress to the island of mustique in the caribbean where everybody thought they'd secretly married because they went under they they travel under under the name mr and mrs cambridge And so the world was absolutely...