Does your work in either Europe or other regions have any lessons for us here in the Asia-Pacific region?

Well, I don't think we should be fooled by the pushback that's happened on sustainability, which has largely been driven by the United States and legal challenges on climate regulations by petro-states.

Because that's not... what's happening everywhere else around the world.

I think in Europe, we all get very excited about what happens in the United States, but my experience of working in Asia and the APAC region is that they've got their own mindset on this, and they're forging ahead and not slowing down on sustainability and sustainable finance.

A good data point for that is that TNFD has been astonishingly successful over the last few years.

We've had a 46% increase from 24 to 25 in adopters.

There are 733 now, and we'll be announcing more at the end of 2026.

Looking at your own work at the intersection of business and environment, which of these three shifts matters most to you and why?