All right, so what's the next professional show you did after The Wild Party? And as well, is it difficult to let those shows go, let your babies go to other creatives like directors and book writers and have their input on it?

Yeah.

I had this wonderful period, um, from 1995 to 2000 where I was feeling, um, really most of the '90s because of, uh, I was learning how to do it and getting things on.

And, and, um, I had been a schoolteacher.

I have a degree in education, and I had had a full-time job until 1991, and then I started working in the theater playing the keyboard and, uh, playing piano and whatever, anything related to that, uh, that I could do to make a living.

And but when The Wild Party opened, um, and it, um, you know, some people, some people, like I said, embraced it and some people didn't.

And it didn't transfer to Broadway, and there was another musical, uh, based on the same material, uh, that did, that was on Broadway, and that was a very odd, uh, happening.

Yes.