Yeah [laughs].

Way back.

But it's, the l- the thing I really enjoy about working with Doug is I love his visions.

And i- in, in production design, there's sort of two sides to it.

You have to come up with an idea for what, what you're gonna, how you're gonna tell the story, and then you've gotta figure out how you're gonna do that, how you're gonna make it and get it onto the screen.

And Doug is more on the what side, and I'm more on the how side.

And so that's why I think we have a relationship that works.

Uh, what was the, uh, most challenging thing you had to work on for this film specifically?