that's how it goes like you either get a degree and you end up using it like crazy or you get a degree and you get a job and it's like i don't really need this degree it's like it's kind of one or the other right yeah it's it's like i need

most and most jobs are like you need a degree and i was like tulsa king had a bit about this like look they're basically saying you know how to show up to a place for four years relatively complete your work in a time in a timely manner and And you're willing to commit to something.

That's really what a piece of paper is for a lot of people these days.

And that's pretty much what it is for me.

As soon as I graduated from...

So while I was at Franciscan, I joined the Fishers of Men household.

That's where I met my friend Josh, my friend Brendan, a lot of other great guys.

So what are you into? Like mystery, sci-fi fantasy,