How did you kind of get into that work? And can you tell us a little bit more about yourself?

Well, thank you very much.

Yeah.

You know, after a long career, you know, sometimes the breadcrumbs lead in a certain direction, you know, and if you follow them, sometimes, sometimes it's fruitful.

So I'm a guy from Seattle and but I trained around the country.

I'm on the clinical faculty at the University of Washington.

And I finished my fellowship back in 1992.

Is it only available to athletes still? Is it specific situations? Like what is the availability of this tool?

I could put really two interesting passions together.

Yeah, things just sort of come into play sometimes.

For those who are not in medicine, realize it takes about 10 years to go to college, med school, internship, residency, fellowship.

And then you finally get to go be a doctor.

You have to go learn how to be a doctor a little more.

The patients teach you a lot more than people realize.

So I was going to be an orthopedist.

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