As these firms grow, what's the biggest challenges that you see them facing and what makes the ones that succeed stand out from the rest?

Well, if you look at the fastest growing firms at the moment, if you look across the I'll talk about the top 30 firms because after that it becomes really hard to compare the firms.

It's easy when you get information from the AFR each year to see how the firms are all growing.

So the fastest growing segment is the, I'll call them the wholly owned national mid-tier firms.

So that includes RSM, BDO, Grant Thornton, Kelly and Partners, Findex mainly.

And they move a lot, they operate more like a corporate.

So they have a top-down approach in terms of management, leadership and strategic direction.

But, I mean, you know, maybe you don't have a nuanced perspective on this, but if you do, do you believe the traditional SaaS model is genuinely effective? under threat uh and what would the most successful sas companies of the next five years uh what do you think they should be doing differently than what they're doing so