Now, are there people who are maybe playing in like Spain or Italy that are English that then go back to be on England's team for the World Cup? Or do you does that not happen?

see there that's another very good point actually that i should have picked up on because we don't have many of our national players don't play abroad they all play in england because that's where the big money is like the premier league is the big money league in in the world i mean spain granted yeah they have the real madrid's in barcelona so you can hand out these massive contracts but beyond that the rest of them are probably teams that can't compete with premier league clubs financially not really so they they have their two big clubs and germany have bayern munich a lot of other divisions have two or three teams that can really compete financially but the premier league all the teams have massive amounts of money it's the league everyone wants to watch in the world whenever i go to america everyone always says i want to watch the premier league i want to watch these players you know um so i think that's the reason why players are not that willing to leave even though their football education would improve by going abroad and playing in a different culture playing a different technical level i think that would make england a better team But the problem that you have is players are always going to be attracted by money.

And understandably, it's a short career.

But I don't think that helps us get better.

I definitely think that if younger players go abroad, there's been cases recently where players have gone abroad.

There's a young Scottish player that's gone abroad and playing for Sporting Lisbon right now.

There's a few young lads from Chelsea, the Andes team, that have gone to clubs in Holland recently.

do you think that this new owner of forest is going to be able to, I mean, obviously you, like you said, it's, it can't happen right away and it does take a lot of money, but do you think he's going to be able to turn things around for forest within the next, say five to 10 years?