Yeah, that's craziness.

It's not me.

But the question I was asked at the time is like, is a championship – All you want now is it maybe one more Bathurst? And my answer was, no, I want to dominate.

Of course, I want to win every race.

And every time we roll out, unless we're 23rd and 24th, I really believe we've got a chance to win.

Now, that doesn't happen that much.

I mean, we won seven races this year.

What will you be satisfied with in a supercar sense and in a Grove group sense? What would you like to look back on and say, yep, did that?

Is that how you're wired, essentially?

Definitely how I'm wired, and it, it comes from that business background where you, you're onto the next thing.

I mean, you just...

You know, in, in business, especially in business and motorsport even more so, I think, you can't stop.

You can never stop because there's someone else that's trying to, you know, push up to the way you are or trying to achieve what you've achieved or, or, or trying to, um, change the way you think about where you are and what you've achieved.

So for me, it's like, okay, achieved.

Let's...

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Well, I mean, that's a great thing to kind of talk about, isn't it? That, you know, we have that evolution every round now and you've come out of this in a good position.

Listen, it's an upside for both of us.

We push them.

They'll develop.

Like last year, they were that far in the team's championship during the year.

It'll make them develop and work harder.

We'll work harder.

I mean, was it a concerted effort on both sides here just to go racing and to kind of park that stuff?

And you really wanted to get into creating the solution for fitness Wong, so to speak.

My degree is in industrial design, which is just all about building.

People think graphic design, you're making brands and pictures and logos and stuff like that.

This is more of the human-centered usability around any product, business, experience, building, software, anything.

So I have this kind of broad range of high-level design principles that I work off of.

And I actually wasn't the most athletic kid growing up.

My parents forced me to do things.

And so I'm sure there's something in your app that can help coach me differently.