Then the estimate on the other piece, which again, we've both said they're remarkably similar in some ways, but the estimate on the other dish that we'll get to in just a second is $200 to $400,000.

yeah yep there it is in a nutshell and all the the nuances of the differences in these two objects are all what speak to the the perceived value in the market and so as as an auction house um You know, what we do is when we get an object, we look at benchmarks in the marketplace that relate to the object.

And the computer allows us to look at all sorts of recent auction records for things that might relate to whatever it is.

And those we use as different benchmarks for establishing a presale estimate.

It is all effectively guesswork.

um because value in all of these things is you could argue that there is no real intrinsic value between those two objects they will both hold your grilled cheese sandwich in the same way but the perceived value can be very different but it's also collectors are fickle they're hard to predict um and there's so many things that go into that oh maybe someone out there has the mate to this and they really want a pair Maybe someone already has one and doesn't want one at all, even though they paid a lot for the previous one.

Or so many things can play into it.

well,