So do you think that that's the best thing that has happened to clean energy because of the power demand? Or is it the reason why a climate founder can't get a meeting?

And we're out of time.

No, yes, is the answer to both.

The climate AI... dilemma is a, or paradox really, is I think very interesting.

I absolutely, AI is already having a demonstrable impact on the way we build plants and the way plants are operated.

And all of that is lowering costs radically.

And by plants, I mean wind and solar.

but um um you and i both replaced ourselves as ceo in our companies in sort of that 2007 time frame and you know there was a big pushback in silicon valley where they were like why would you ever do that professional ceos don't know how to pivot fast enough etc etc where do you come out on this topic now

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If you go work at a big company, you might get handed a team or you might be stuffed into a team and suddenly you're surrounded by people that, uh, you may or may not want to be surrounded with for years.

When you're building your own company, you get to choose.

You get to choose who you're working with.

People would show up to work for, uh, a salary.

They would stay late for equity.

But they would work weekends, and they would build relationships and have barbecues and all of this because of the culture, because of the people around you.

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