So what do you see happening with this visit in light of all this noise going on about cutoffs of Starlink and et cetera, and the diesel? So what do you think is going through Putin's mind right now?

First of all, I would like to say that thank you very much for inviting me to this podcast.

And once again, great to see both of you, Glenn and Dan, in our company, discuss very urgent issues of today.

As for Mr. Vitka's incoming visit to Moscow, it will be his ninth visit to Moscow to see Putin, to talk to him.

but might be it is prepared at very special visit because according to early reports uh mr vitkov uh is expected to bring uh to put in a news about either concluding uh some whatever contract or decision that he's supposed to reach in Oslo, Dan just talked about this, on potential surrender or capitulation of Ukraine to demands that have been forwarded not only by Putin himself, but unfortunately those demands have been supported by the Trump administration right now.

For that purpose, as we all know, the administration has has started to implement since at least mid-summer a very particular strategy to deprive Ukraine from anti-aircraft, anti-missile defense.

First of all, Ukraine used all missiles to Patriots, and no arrivals of missiles did not come.

Where is Putin stand now domestically and economically?

D- what do you think?

Um, your, your logic is understandable but your, um, some kind of, your thinking that, uh, it will be peace, at least some short term peace, I don't think that will be any short term peace because all these, uh, negotiations, uh, would lead to only one possible result, to capitulation of Ukraine.

And, um, either Vitkov or, uh, Wentz or even President Trump, uh, in many their regar- uh, comments are hinting on this par- particular outcome.

Just for them, it would be not a very big surprise, not very big shock.

And capitulation of Ukraine because, uh, what they're talking about, the whatever, ceasefire and so on, with stop of, uh, providing military aid or intelligence or whatever means and the... because, uh, stop with mobilization or with all those efforts to bring necessary people into the armed forces of Ukraine mean that Ukraine will be subjugated.

If Ukraine will be subjugated, and this is an obvious result of these efforts because, uh, Putin has pro- uh, the proclaimed his goal about Ukraine not, uh, now, not in year 2022 as people are talking about last three years, not in year 2014 with occupation and annexation of Crimea.

He proclaimed in year 2003.

Mm-hmm.